Gracias.
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Chus escribió:Son akellas mesas q tienen una segunda fila faders q controlan el retorno de cinta (osea la reproduccion del multipistas), las consolas de estudio suelen ser in line como las ssl neve amek etc etc..
slds
Creo q te confundes con las Split.
Hay dos tipos de mesas:
-Mesas Split
-Mesas In-Line.
Se diferencian en el retorno del multipistas (DA88, protools, etc..)
Las Split tiene cada retorno su propio fader. Suelen tener 3 partes: el control normal de los fader, eq, etc... en la izquierda; el control en el centro; y en la derecha los faders con el retorno del multipistas.
Las In-Line tienen el potenciometro del retorno en el propio canal con un potenciometro giratorio encima del fader. Estas tienen la entrada de TAPE IN (jack mono) en la parte posterior.
Espero haber ayudado en algo.
Saludos
Puntualizarle a Acido, que las mesas in-line no tienen porque tener el potenciometro de monitor en rotativo, es mas, la mayoria de las grandes consolas, lease neve y ssl llevan dicho potenciometro en formato de fader tipo lineal, igual que el de mezcla, solo que un poco mas corto. Para entender mejor la definicion de la mesa in-line hay que mencionar, que el potenciometro inferior o principal de cada modulo de la mesa, que generalmente es mas largo que el superior, se utiliza en la fase de grabación para controlar el nivel de señal que mandamos al multipistas, dejando asi, los superiores, donde recibimos el retorno de la señal del multipistas, para realizar una premezcla. En la fase de mezcla se "flipan" o intercambian dichos faders y la funcion de los faders inferiores pasa a ser la de "regular" los retornos del multipistas, ya que en esta fase es lo que nos ocupa y nos interesa es poder utilizar un canal mas completo que el de monitorización, a nivel de disponer de mas cortes de ecualización, etc etc. Asi mismo, los potenciometros superiores pueden ser utilizados para otros retornos, si no disponemos de suficientes pistas unicamente empleando los canales principales. Dicho esto, podemos ver que lo que realmente sucede, es que las mesas in-line a diferencia de las split, incluyen dos canales en cada modulo, uno mas sencillo y otro mas completo.
Un saludo Acido
Un saludo Acido
AcID0 escribió:Chus escribió:Son akellas mesas q tienen una segunda fila faders q controlan el retorno de cinta (osea la reproduccion del multipistas), las consolas de estudio suelen ser in line como las ssl neve amek etc etc..
slds
Creo q te confundes con las Split.
Saludos
No me confundia, me referia a las in-line, lo q pasa esq no me explike bien, no obstante, como dijo otro amigo en el hilo, la gran mayoria de las mesas in-line tienen el control del retorno de cinta en faders no en potenciometros. Mea culpa, mala explicacion
slds
He encontrado este artículo para terminar de aclararnos, lo malo es que está en inglés:
"Split Mode & In-Line Console description
Split Mode consoles are what are sometimes called English consoles by American engineers, the split console uses separate modules for the inputs and outputs. Usually the input modules are placed to the left of the master modules on the console and are used for the microphone and line input signals while recording and then again for machine returns when mixing.
The group/monitor modules are usually to the right of the master module, the group/monitor module has 2 signal paths. Like the input modules, the group/monitor modules are equipped with a fader which is used to set the group level and a monitor fader ( or pot ) to control the level of the monitor signal being sent to the stereo bus which also feeds the control room outputs to the monitor speakers. The monitor section often has a limited EQ which is less extensive than the equaliser on the input channels. The monitor section can be switched to listen to the group output or the multitrack output.
Split Mode Examples; early Neve consoles, most Trident and Soundcraft consoles and all Soundtracs consoles prior to the IL & Quartz, most DDA's and most Mackie analogue models
In Line consoles originated in the USA, each module carries 2 signal paths, the microphone or line input and the group/tape monitor signal. The upper part of the module caters for the Mic or Line input when in the recording mode, it looks very similar to the Split Mode mic/line channel apart from the fact that is has 2 additional controls to handle the monitor signal, these are level ( sometimes a fader sometimes a pot ) plus a pan pot. There are also additional switches required, because both signal paths are on the same module they have to share the auxiliary sends so switches are required to switch the send pots, usually in pairs, between the mic line path and monitor path.
There will also find a 'Mix' button on an In Line module, this is the best feature of the design, this button reverses the inputs so that the machine return will cone into the main signal patch and the Mic or line signal will come through the monitor path. This features allows engineers to mix recorded tracks while they are overdubbing
Advantages & Disadvantages: The main advantages of the In Line console is more inputs in a smaller space and the reduced cost of production. As a single module is used for the input and output signals fewer modules are required; a 24 buss Split Mode console will have 24 more modules than an In Line console. Generally a Split Console has more facilities than an In Line, it has a fader on the group output which the In Line does not have although some manufacturers provide a pot to adjust the group output level, also the aux sends and EQ on an In Line module has to be shared between the mic/line input and the monitor signal
In Line Examples, all SSL's current Neve's, Soundtracs Jade & Solitaire consoles, TLA VTC's, MCI's & most Sony consoles."
"Split Mode & In-Line Console description
Split Mode consoles are what are sometimes called English consoles by American engineers, the split console uses separate modules for the inputs and outputs. Usually the input modules are placed to the left of the master modules on the console and are used for the microphone and line input signals while recording and then again for machine returns when mixing.
The group/monitor modules are usually to the right of the master module, the group/monitor module has 2 signal paths. Like the input modules, the group/monitor modules are equipped with a fader which is used to set the group level and a monitor fader ( or pot ) to control the level of the monitor signal being sent to the stereo bus which also feeds the control room outputs to the monitor speakers. The monitor section often has a limited EQ which is less extensive than the equaliser on the input channels. The monitor section can be switched to listen to the group output or the multitrack output.
Split Mode Examples; early Neve consoles, most Trident and Soundcraft consoles and all Soundtracs consoles prior to the IL & Quartz, most DDA's and most Mackie analogue models
In Line consoles originated in the USA, each module carries 2 signal paths, the microphone or line input and the group/tape monitor signal. The upper part of the module caters for the Mic or Line input when in the recording mode, it looks very similar to the Split Mode mic/line channel apart from the fact that is has 2 additional controls to handle the monitor signal, these are level ( sometimes a fader sometimes a pot ) plus a pan pot. There are also additional switches required, because both signal paths are on the same module they have to share the auxiliary sends so switches are required to switch the send pots, usually in pairs, between the mic line path and monitor path.
There will also find a 'Mix' button on an In Line module, this is the best feature of the design, this button reverses the inputs so that the machine return will cone into the main signal patch and the Mic or line signal will come through the monitor path. This features allows engineers to mix recorded tracks while they are overdubbing
Advantages & Disadvantages: The main advantages of the In Line console is more inputs in a smaller space and the reduced cost of production. As a single module is used for the input and output signals fewer modules are required; a 24 buss Split Mode console will have 24 more modules than an In Line console. Generally a Split Console has more facilities than an In Line, it has a fader on the group output which the In Line does not have although some manufacturers provide a pot to adjust the group output level, also the aux sends and EQ on an In Line module has to be shared between the mic/line input and the monitor signal
In Line Examples, all SSL's current Neve's, Soundtracs Jade & Solitaire consoles, TLA VTC's, MCI's & most Sony consoles."
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