taoteking2 escribió:
ummmm. Huelo un cierto tufillo anti series alpha juno y poly-800 por aquí. Se que su sonido no tiene muy buena prensa entre algunos, pero a mi me encanta. Mi grupo electrónico favorito (m83) lo usa a porrillo. No veo que hay gran diferencencia de sonido teniendo en cunta que ambos tienen una arquitectura similar. O no la tienen?
Soundprogrammer: a qué te refieres con que el matrix 1000 tiene mejor arquitectra interna que el ex. Por lo poco que he encontrado es bastante similar.
Me gustaría que dijerais por qué preferís uno u otro.
Saludos
¿similar?
es obvio que no te has parado mucho en averiguar porqué puede ser lo que te estamos diciendo:
mira.. Te voy a poner una lista de como está configura una voz en el matrix 1000.
La del poly 800 mejor te las estudias pero cuando se habla de arquitectura interna se
refiere a como de estructura un sonido o construye usando los diversos parámetros que
el frabricante ofrece para manipular su síntesis.
matrix 1000 lista de parámetros internos de edición
matrix-1000 single patch data format
statistics: 134 bytes/single patch
checksum : + 1 byte eox
= 275 total transmitted bytes/single patch
byte parameter # bits description
----- --------- ------ -----------
0-7 6 each patch name. Each character is
represented by the lower 6 bits of
it's ascii representation.
8 48 2 keyboard mode 0=reassign
1=rotate
2=unison
3=reassign w/rob
9 00 6 dco 1 initial frequency
lsb=1 semitone
10 05 6 dco 1 initial wavwshape
0=sawtooth
31=triangle
11 03 6 dco 1 initial pulse width
12 07 2 dco 1 fixed modulations
bit 0=lever 1
bit 1=vibrato
13 06 2 dco 1 waveform enable
bit 0=pulse
bit 1=wave
14 10 6 dco 2 initial frequency
lsb=1 semitone
15 15 6 dco 2 initial wavwshape
0=sawtooth
31=triangle
16 13 6 dco 2 initial pulse width
17 17 2 dco 2 fixed modulations
bit 0=lever 1
bit 1=vibrato
18 16 3 dco 1 waveform enable
bit 0=pulse
bit 1=wave
bit 2=noise
19 12 6(signed) dco 2 detune
20 20 6 mix
21 08 2 dco 1 fixed modulations
bit 0=portamento
bit 1=not used
22 09 1 dco 1 click
23 18 2 dco 2 fixed modulations
bit 0=portamento
bit 1=keyboard tracking
enable
24 19 1 dco 2 click
25 02 2 dco sync mode
26 21 7 vcf initial frequency
lsb= 1 semitone
27 24 6 vcf initial resonance
28 25 2 vcf fixed modulations
bit 0=lever 1
bit 1=vibrato
29 26 2 vcf keyboard modulation
bit 0=portamento
bit 1=keyboard
30 30 6 vcf fm initial amount
31 27 6 vca 1 (exponential) initial amount
32 44 6 portamento initial rate
33 46 2 lag mode 0=constant speed
1=constant time
2=exponential
3=exponential
34 47 1 legato portamento enable
35 80 6 lfo 1 initial speed
36 86 2 lfo 1 trigger 0=no trigger
1=single trigger
2=multi trigger
3=external trigger
37 87 1 lfo 1 lag enable
38 82 3 lfo 1 waveshape (see table 1)
39 83 5 lfo 1 retrigger point
40 88 5 lfo 1 sampled source number
41 84 6 lfo 1 initial amplitude
42 90 6 lfo 1 initial speed
43 96 2 lfo 2 trigger 0=no trigger
1=single trigger
2=multi trigger
3=external trigger
44 97 1 lfo 2 lag enable
45 92 3 lfo 2 waveshape (see table 1)
46 93 5 lfo 2 retrigger point
47 98 5 lfo 2 sampled source number
48 94 6 lfo 2 initial amplitude
49 57 3 env 1 trigger mode
bit0=reset
bit1=multi trigger
bit2=external trigger
50 50 6 env 1 initial delay time
51 51 6 env 1 initial attack time
52 52 6 env 1 initial decay time
53 53 6 env 1 sustain level
54 54 6 env 1 initial release time
55 55 6 env 1 initial amplitude
56 59 2 env 1 lfo trigger mode
bit0=gated
bit1=lfo trigger
57 58 2 env 1 mode
bit0=dadr mode
bit1=freerun
58 67 3 env 2 trigger mode
bit0=reset
bit1=multi trigger
bit2=external trigger
59 60 6 env 2 initial delay time
60 61 6 env 2 initial attack time
61 62 6 env 2 initial decay time
62 63 6 env 2 sustain level
63 64 6 env 2 initial release time
64 65 6 env 2 initial amplitude
65 69 2 env 2 lfo trigger mode
bit0=gated
bit1=lfo trigger
66 68 2 env 2 mode
bit0=dadr mode
bit1=freerun
67 77 3 env 3 trigger mode
bit0=reset
bit1=multi trigger
bit2=external trigger
68 70 6 env 3 initial delay time
69 71 6 env 3 initial attack time
70 72 6 env 3 initial decay time
71 73 6 env 3 sustain level
72 74 6 env 3 initial release time
73 75 6 env 3 initial amplitude
74 79 2 env 3 lfo trigger mode
bit0=gated
bit1=lfo trigger
75 78 2 env 3 mode
bit0=dadr mode
bit1=freerun
76 33 5 tracking generator input source
code (see table 2)
77 34 6 tracking point 1
78 35 6 tracking point 2
79 36 6 tracking point 3
80 37 6 tracking point 4
81 38 6 tracking point 5
82 40 6 ramp 1 rate
83 41 2 ramp 1 mode 0=single trigger
1=multi trigger
2=external trigger
3=external gated
84 42 6 ramp 2 rate
85 43 2 ramp 2 mode 0=single trigger
1=multi trigger
2=external trigger
3=external gated
86 01 7(signed) dco 1 freq. By lfo 1 amount
87 04 7(signed) dco 1 pw by lfo 2 amount
88 11 7(signed) dco 2 freq. By lfo 1 amount
89 14 7(signed) dco 2 pw by lfo 2 amount
90 22 7(signed) vcf freq. By env 1 amount
91 23 7(signed) vcf freq. By pressure amount
92 28 7(signed) vca 1 by velocity amount
93 29 7(signed) vca 2 by env 2 amount
94 56 7(signed) env 1 amplitude by velovity amount
95 66 7(signed) env 2 amplitude by velovity amount
96 76 7(signed) env 3 amplitude by velovity amount
97 85 7(signed) lfo 1 amp. By ramp 1 amount
98 95 7(signed) lfo 2 amp. By ramp 2 amount
99 45 7(signed) portamento rate by velocity amount
100 31 7(signed) vcf fm amount by env 3 amount
101 32 7(signed) vcf fm amount by pressure amount
102 81 7(signed) lfo 1 speed by pressure amount
103 91 7(signed) lfo 2 speed by keyboard amount
104 5 matrix modulation bus 0
source code (see table 2)
105 7(signed) mm bus 0 amount
106 5 mm bus 0 destination code
(see table 3)
107 5 matrix modulation bus 1
source code (see table 2)
108 7(signed) mm bus 1 amount
109 5 mm bus 1 destination code
(see table 3)
110 5 matrix modulation bus 2
source code (see table 2)
111 7(signed) mm bus 2 amount
112 5 mm bus 2 destination code
(see table 3)
113 5 matrix modulation bus 3
source code (see table 2)
114 7(signed) mm bus 3 amount
115 5 mm bus 3 destination code
(see table 3)
116 5 matrix modulation bus 4
source code (see table 2)
117 7(signed) mm bus 4 amount
118 5 mm bus 4 destination code
(see table 3)
119 5 matrix modulation bus 5
source code (see table 2)
120 7(signed) mm bus 5 amount
121 5 mm bus 5 destination code
(see table 3)
122 5 matrix modulation bus 6
source code (see table 2)
123 7(signed) mm bus 6 amount
124 5 mm bus 6 destination code
(see table 3)
125 5 matrix modulation bus 7
source code (see table 2)
126 7(signed) mm bus 7 amount
127 5 mm bus 7 destination code
(see table 3)
128 5 matrix modulation bus 8
source code (see table 2)
129 7(signed) mm bus 8 amount
130 5 mm bus 8 destination code
(see table 3)
131 5 matrix modulation bus 9
source code (see table 2)
132 7(signed) mm bus 9 amount
133 5 mm bus 9 destination code
(see table 3)
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table 1
-----------------
lfo wave codes
0= triangle 4=ramdom
1= up sawtooth 5=noise
2= down sawtooth 6=sampled modulation
3= square 7=not used
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table 2
------------------
modulation source codes
tracking generator inputs
unused modulations must have their sources and destinations set to 0.
0=unused modulation*
1=env 1 11=tracking generator
2=env 2 12=keyboard gate
3=env 3 13=velocity
4=lfo 1 14=release velocity
5=lfo 2 15=pressure
6=vibrato 16=pedal 1
7=ramp 1 17=pedal 2
8=ramp 2 18=lever 1
9=keyboard 19=lever 2
10=portamento 20=lever 3
* the "0=unused modulation" parameter in this table is found in the
modulation source list only. This parameter is not a tracking generator input
and thus will not be displayed in parameter 33 track input.
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table 3
-----------------
modulation destination codes
unused modulations must have their sources and destinations set to 0.
1=dco 1 frequency 17=env 1 amplitude
2=dco 1 pulse width 18=env 2 delay
3=dco 1 waveshape 19=env 2 attack
4=dco 2 frequency 20=env 2 decay
5=dco 2 pulse width 21=env 2 release
6=dco 2 waveshape 22=env 2 amplitude
7=mix level 23=env 3 delay
8=vcf fm amount 24=env 3 attack
9=vcf frequency 25=env 3 decay
10=vcf resonance 26=env 3 release
11=vca 1 level 27=env 3 amplitude
12=vca 2 level 28=lfo 1 speed
13=env 1 delay 29=lfo 1 amplitude
14=env 1 attack 30=lfo 2 speed
15=env 1 decay 31=lfo 2 amplitude
16=env 1 release 32=portamento time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
matrix-1000 global parameters data format
-------------------------------------------
statistics: 172 bytes/global parameters
= 344 nybbles transmitted + 5 bytes header
+ 1 byte checksum + 1 byte eox
= 351 total transmitted bytes/global parameters
byte # bits description
------ ------- ------------
0 not used
1 6 vibrato speed
2 2 vibrato speed mod source code
3 6 vibrato speed modulation amount
4 3 vibrato waveform
5 6 vibrato amplitude
6 2 vibrato amp mod source code
7 6 vibrato amp modulation amount
8 6(signed) master tune
9 not used
10 not used
11 4 midi basic channel
12 1 midi omni mode enable
13 1 midi controllers enable
14 1 midi patch changes enable
15 not used
16 not used
17 7 midi pedal 1 controller
18 7 midi pedal 2 controller
19 7 midi lever 2 controller
20 7 midi lever 3 controller
21-31 not used
32 1 midi echo enable
34 6(signed) master transpose
35 1 midi mono mode enable
36-161 1 each group enables (one bit per patch, ls bit first)
162-163 not used
164 1 bend range
165 1 bank lock enable (in msb only)
167 1 number of units (group mode)
168 1 current unit number (in msb only)
169 1 unison enable
170 1 volume invert enable
171 1 memory protect enable
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miscellaneous matrix-1000 commands
------------------------------------
bank select
f0h 7fh 02h 01h
f7h
=7fh for all devices (including this one)
=(0-5) must match unit's id
=don't care
=don't care
=don't care
=don't care
=bank to select(0-9)
=0
device inquiry
f0h 7eh 06h 01h f7h
=7fh for any device (including this one)
=(0-15) must match unit's basic channel
device id
f0h 7eh 06h 02h
f7h
=transmitting device's basic channel
=10h (oberheim)
=6h (matrix-6/6r/1000
=0h
=2h (matrix-1000)
=0h
thru
=four ascii characters of the version number, right
justified.
E.G., version 1.10 is represented by:
=20h("")
=31h("1")
=31h("1")
=31h("0")
active controllers
01 vibrato amount (lever 2)
02 breath control (lever 3)
04 foot pedal (pedal 1)
06 data entry
07 volume
08 bank change enable
64 sustain (pedal 2)
96 increment
97 decrement
98 non-reg parm lsb
99 non-reg parm msb
100 reg parm lsb
101 reg parm msb
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luego te lees la del poly 800 y me cuentas..
Y la del alpha juno también!! Ese me gusta más pero es muy limitado en edición.
Saludos!
